Quel profundity!

So glad to see people still blogging! Of course I'm reading and ALWAYS will! So true about anything coming back to life bringing pain, Joanna! Reminds me of LOVELY BONES in a weird way - if you haven't read it, read it this summer. I heard they are making a movie of it (and of SECRET LIFE OF BEES!). Enjoy your time off, ladies and Anthony! I'm stuck here with the teachers - not as fun as you all!

wow

omg guys i didnt know u still wrote here.......thts really weird......i cant even believe tht im actually saying this but i already miss school... i think marci has all transformed us to ap bloggers lol see u guys n joann's class (ME SQUIRMING SAYING THT)

I don't understand your question, Joanna. Can you explain it further?

"Anything dead coming back to life hurts"

Uhm for your information the Chem was hard, you just have a short term memory Arleny. Good, I'm glad everyone agrees.
I bet Marci doesn't even read this anymore, do you? Lol.
I feel so slow. That question Marci asked about the 124 address. The three is missing because the third child is dead! Therefore Beloved, like the number, is disremembered. Oh, I'm so smart.
I have a question for those who still come on this site.
What do you think the reference to the heart means throughout "Beloved"?

Also, uhm guys...if your locker is on the 3rd or 4th floor please take all your trash out tomorrow...seriously...if I have to see any old sneakers, or "past the mold-ation" stage sandwiches I'm gonna vomit. lol. Oh, for the 5th and 2nd floor lockers...well sorry your outta luck. lol.

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii guysssssssssssss, i miss our classes together already!!!!!!! i can't argue this way!! it's soooooooo impersonal!!!!!!!! anywayssssssss, i just had to blog because i read what Sadea wrote. no offense Sadea, but i don't think you are seeing the story and what Beloved meant the way it's meant to be seen. she is not a grown girl she is a baby who couldn't even speak properly, let alone understand what is right or wrong. she is a spirit and when things didn't go the way she planned, she grew "evil". i agree with Joanna, except that the Chemistry regeants was hard- it wasn't. anywaysssssssssss, i feel sorry for Sethe. although she had a horrible upbringing, killing her child really hurt her. it shows how unstable she was and how traumatizing slavery under School teacher was..........

see you guys tomorrow at the math b regeantsssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Response to "Beloved-The spoiled brat!"

I have to disagree with you on your "analysis" of Beloved, Sadea. Beloved is a very allegorical character in this book/movie. She represents a number of things (not just Sethe's dead baby). However, your idea that Beloved should have known better while proceeding in her actions is one that I must dispute.
"How can she think about having sex with Paul D. when he is so much older than her. She also knows that Paul D. loves Sethe, who is her mother. I know that she is supposed to be a little child, but I feel that even little kids can tell that what Beloved forced Paul D. to do was immoral."
I get what your saying to some extent. On the contrary, Beloved is the same age that she was when she died but in the body of a pre-teenager. Children have no morality and do not distniguish right from wrong until a certain age. There was no way Beloved could have known that "raping" Paul D was wrong because the way she saw it, it was good. She saw the happieness her mother recieved from it and Beloved assumed it to be fun. Monkey see, monkey do as the old saying goes. Also, Beloved is possesed by a disturbed spirit and when the rape scene occured the red light over the shack was shown, indicating there was a higher power at play here.
I don't believe Beloved herself was evil. Just the thought of her.
After all, Beloved made everyone grow in the movie. It's very interesting at how such a character can contribute so much to Denver, Sethe, and Paul D., while having such actions.
I agree that Sethe has suffered the most. My point substantiated by Marci's and Arielle's posts.

Hey, Chem people...wasn't that regents sooo hard...and long?!

Suffering

Sethe suffered way more than Denver. Denver is not even old enough to have gone through enough experiences to know what suffering is. Denver was never a slave, she was never raped, she hasnt gone through much. Marci is right, whatever Denver has gone through cant TOUCH what Sethe went through. Now, between Denver and Beloved, thats a different story. Yeah sure, Beloved died, but she died and that was it. She terrorized her family with no threat to herself and she comes back to life nearly immortal because of her ghostly powers. Denver had to deal with Beloved and her mom. She had to get used to Paul D and she had to grow up enough to get a job. She also had to watch her brothers leave her and her mother.

Sethe Suffered the Most!

Great question, Sadea - I'll try to remember to use that next year! I think Sethe did, if you consider the times before the story opens (when she was living in slavery, then gang-raped, delivering a baby while wounded from a horrible whipping IN A BOAT while running for her life(what could be worse?)and of course what happens when she gets to Ohio - 29 days later, she kills her baby when they find her! Denver had an unhappy childhood but it can't compare to what Sethe went through. What do you guys think?

Question

Which character suffered the most in Beloved: Denver or Sethe?

Beloved- The spoiled brat!

Hi guys, I miss all of you already. I am sorry that I am writing in this font, but when I tried writing in the regular font, my writing was translated to hindi and I have no clue why that happened. Anyways, I hate Beloved. She is so creepy. How can she think about having sex with Paul D. when he is so much older than her. She also knows that Paul D. loves Sethe, who is her mother. I know that she is supposed to be a little child, but I feel that even little kids can tell that what Beloved forced Paul D. to do was immoral. It was good that Sethe killed Beloved when she was a child because if she was still alive in the story, she would've been older than Denver and she would've taken even worse actions than she has done as a ghost. I feel really sad for Denver because she is the one who ends up taking care of the rest of the family after Sethe falls ill. Even though Denver had no faults in the book, I feel that she suffered the most in the book. She was deprived of friends and relatives at such a young age. Her neighbors also scorn her for her mother's past actions and she has to bare her mother's burden for no reason. She even has to take care of Beloved, who does nothing but act like a spoiled brat in the family.

No making up

I agree with Shasha. Beloved is left out of the address because she wasnt going to live long. The address foreshadowed her mothers crazy attempt to keep her out of slavery. She spoiled Beloved because in Sethes mind nothing can make up for what Sethe did to Beloved. Shasha, you try waiting on a 18 year old baby who cant communicate properly 24 hours a day. You'd be stressed too. But I do agree that Sethe should've set some boundaries. After all, she is Beloveds mother.

Beloved: The CREEPY kid

Well, obviously Beloved is the fourth, and by far weirdest, child. It is also obvious why she is not included in the home address of 124. But what I do get is why did Sethe begin to lose it (her mind) after Beloved's ever growing need for things such as ribbons and candy grew? Why spoil her so much? Yeah, sure Sethe KILLED her, but so what? It's not possible to make up for what was done. And I understand that Beloved is a child in a teenagers body, but does she REALLY have to make those faces and drool so much? Kudos to the actress who played Beloved.

124 Bluestone Road

I'm not sure about the "bluestone" part of the address but I read somewhere that the "124" represents Sethe's children - numbers 1 and 2 were the boys who ran off and 4 is Denver (the last born - on the way to freedom). So who is 3 and why is the 3 missing? Get it?

You guys are hilarious!

I am truly loving reading this blog! Great ideas on Morrison and Fitzgerald. Joanna, that line you picked out as priceless became sort of a mantra for the 11th grade AP class a few years back! It's funny. See you in the last class of the year!

Angie's Words

Angelia was having some trouble figuring out how to use the website, so I told her it was fine with me to post her exact message on the blog. Here's what Angie had to say:

"yay i am doin this bloggin thing which is soo annoyinly difficult i needed to use anthony's thingy ahah

anyways i prefer Fitzgeralds writing because he uses many details yet uses vague language that ppl need to just read between the lines like the eyes of the dr. and more . Morrison's writting is good as well however i just like fitzgerald better."

wat is beloved??

i do agree with sadea and marci that morrison makes beloved seem immoral but i dont find her that way at all..shes just a girl in a womans body having mixed emotions and feelings about herself, shes just confused about who she is. i think she is trying to find her way but going about wrongly

I for one find Toni Morrison's work very mysterious. In Beloved, the concept of the story different in the fact that it has a little "superstition." the fact that you have to think about why Morrison decided to give Beloved the personality she had is interesting. To answer the aim of the day, the flashbacks can be used to give the story emotional appeal or emphasize the parts of the past that Sethe may try to put behind her.

B-E-L-O-V-E-D Beloved

Ok, the haunting of 124 is actually a very interesting thing. I researched it and came up with this really good posting about Beloved-it is actually very well written (because it's by a professor.) http://www.jstor.org/pss/3041913
I love the movie of Beloved, yeah ok whatever I haven't read it but neither did 90% of the class.Lol.
Morrison does try to display Beloved as evil, but at the same time to feel sympathy because she is a baby. But hey the director actually makes it work. And the actress that plays Beloved does a great job. Yeah, I agree that scene with Paul D. was so revolting. "Touch me on the inside" I'm sorry but that line was priceless. Lol. And as for Marci trying to cover Paul D.'s "butt"...well that was even more priceless.
The transfer of characters within the movie is a very good technique as are the flashbacks.
Goodluck to everyone taking their ACT's tomorrow!

Who's newcomer? SPEAK YOUR NAME!...If you don't well then let's just say I know Beloved...and I'll ask her to find out...lol.

Beloved and Paul D.?

How did you guys react to what Beloved did today with Paul D.? In my opinion, that part of the movie was gross. I truly agree with Marci. Morrison is really trying to display Beloved as an unethical character in the book because Beloved does whatever she desires to do, even when it is really inappropriate. What I don't understand is why Morrison attributes these unmoral characteristics to Beloved. Do you guys feel that there is a special reason behind how she characterizes Beloved?

Postmodern art

Postmodern for sure. I love the way each character gets their own voice in Toni Morrison's Beloved. Though its totally confusing, its an amazing story and written beautifully. I have no idea wat that address could possibly mean but I agree with Eli, it sounds creepy. It sounds like an address a haunted house in a scary story would have but other than that, I dont know why the house's address is that.

124 (creepy sound)

I prefer postmodern best since it gives a sense of ironic fashion with the drama in the storyline."Beloved"was very exciting to watch, the film storyline goes really well with the book, and the actors are very real to the characters in the book. The adress is 124 blustone road because it's haunted...OO EEE OOO! I guess it's just another possessed NUMBER used as symbolism in parts of the story. It's a creepy topic, and I LOVE IT! B-E-W-A-R-E!!!!

Beloved

To answer Marci's question about my opinion of the better storyteller: Fitzgerald or Morrison. I feel that Toni Morrison is a better storyteller because she has a very a very unique style. She puts a lot of flashbacks in the book. The flashbacks are about Sethe's past life as a slave. I like how Morrison allows Sethe to be the narrator of the story, even though, we as readers know that Morrison is the actual person wrting the story, it sems to me like Sethe (in reality, Morrison) confronts the exact brutal life that almost all slaves face and she also reacts to them in the same way that most slaves would. Her language also signifies that she was a former slave because she speaks in very old slang ( I am not sure if that is a language or not). When she recalls her gang rape as she is talking to Paul D., it apperas that she is still traumatized by the past event becasue she pauses a lot as she tells Paul D. about that event. Beloved's "broken language" also symbolizes that she is not in existence because she talks and moves like a little child would, even though she is as big as Denver. I like the movie version of Beloved because Beloved's ghost appears more realistic in the film than how it is described in the book.
Fitzgerald also uses flashbacks in his book when he talks about the past life and affair of Gatsby, before he joined the war. I like the fancy parties in the movie and how the characters react to some events in the book. For example, when Daisy starts crying randomly and doesn't stop crying. Overall, the book isn't that bad, but the ending just kills the book. I didn't expect Gatsby to die, he is so nice.

i agree

i agree with newcomer......... Gatsby is only a fool for love..........and i do agree that he would have left if Daisy chose Tom...........but i can't help but not like him......... he was such and idiot to give his love to an eighteen year old! i feel so sorry for him. and by the way...............who are you newcomer?????????

Beloved

Fitzgerald's work is "modern" whereas Beloved is considered "postmodern." The moderns saw "the wasteland" of contemporary life (how are you doing with that poem, by the way?). The postmoderns played around with styles, genres (witness the chapter from Beloved's point of view written in baby talk/think without punctuation marks). They alluded to past works and twisted them around, thwarting reader's expectations.

Whose style of storytelling do you prefer? Any ideas on style here? What did you think of today's segment of BELOVED? Why is the address "124 Bluestone Road"?

Immorality

Hands down, Myrtle is immoral. She has no class whatsoever. But let us not forget who the real bad guy is, Tom. If Tom never came into Myrtle's life, would she have cheated? Maybe, maybe not. At least Mrytle had the decency to keep her affair a secret from her husband. Not that she wasnt wrong, but tom had an affair once before and Daisy knew about that one too. On another subject entirely, Gatsby IS great! He did not deserve to die. He was kind and gentle and though Nick was a little iffy about him at first, he was a great guy. He was just a sucker in love. Love makes you do crazy things but I believe that if Gatsby honestly thought Daisy loved Tom and wanted to stay with her husband out of happiness, he would learn to let her go. A person that in love with somebody only wants their happiness, even if its not with them.

Turtle turtle turtle...

Omg, you guys are so funny. I have the urge to (but I won't) respond to previous post. Just because I am indoldent at the moment.
Uhm well if I knew someone was cheating on my friend (or cousin) I would tell them. Because I believe cheaters should be punished for their actions. Hence, no second chances.
I think Nick is the biggest liar. He knows everything that is going on, heck he sees it. Yet, he doesn't say anything. He should. He has nothing to lose, maybe more to gain. If anybody I blame this whole book on Nick. You know why? Because I can. But also because he could have prevented anything from happening with one word, yet he stayed shut from Chapter 1.
Trustworthy? Hmm...how about only to some extent.
-I have a theory that Fitzgerald was drunk when he wrote that Myrtle's boob was uhm cut off. Lol.

OMG NAT!

Wow - we're blogging at the same time. Another thought: what would you guys do if someone you knew was cheating on someone else you knew. This happens to Nick twice - on W. 158th St. at Tom and Myrtle's love nest and at his own cottage when Gatsby has the tea party for Daisy. Nick just hangs out both times and never says a word to the injured parties. Would you? When and why and how should you say something or not? Think about it!

Myrtle the Turtle?

Interesting ideas Sadea and thanks for blogging!:) I think Myrtle deserves the "biggest loser" award. She seems stupid, greedy and just plain mean to George. We feel sorry for her getting killed like that (pathetic with the boob flap). Her death is just pathetic, not tragic. I don't think George should have killed her (vigilante justice and all not being the way to go) but he is probably the most wronged character - other than Gatsby, who sort of let himself in for it idolizing Daisy all those (eight) years and not being realistic about her. I feel sorry for both Wilsons because they are manipulated by the rich folks and are too dumb to figure it out. In a way, Fitzgerald is saying the middle class/poor are dumb and let themselves be treated badly. At first glance he seems to be condemning the rich but if you think about it he is saying they are sly and get away with their shenanigans because they are smarter and stick together (so they are different from you and me). If they had been more honest and moral (all of the key characters), Daisy would have turned herself in and probably gotten off with a light sentence for hit and run due to her social standing. Then Tom could have dallied with someone else while she was imprisoned (Jordan?) while Gatsby would have waited for her to get out, writing her letters every day and visiting whenever possible.

Any thoughts on rich folk vs. poor folk here?

OMG!!! I DoN't LiKe HeR!!!!!!

At first I was kind of sympathetic for Daisy but now that I see her true identity I Think she stinks as a person. She led Gatsby to believe that she in reality had true feelings for him when it fact she only seemed attracted to him because of his new wealth. If she would have met him in unwealthiness do you think she would have been as friendly? Maybe NOt. Either way it sucks that Gatsby sacrificed himself for her (not literally). If he would have spoken out about Daisy running over Myrtle, Mr.Wilson would probably have killed Daisy. That would have been an even better alternate ending..hehehe.. I juss gave away my HW assingment.

Was it fair for Gatsby to die?

The end of the story is so depressing. Why does Gatsby have to die? He risked his life for Daisy and Daisy does not care about him at all. Daisy is so stupid! One minute, she loves Gastby and at the other minute, she loves Tom. What is wrong with her? I feel so sorry for Gatsby because he never received the love that he deserved from Daisy. If anything, she should've been the one to die after Myrtle. Daisy acts so weird at times. She is very emotional and starts crying at random times.

Myrtle- Immoral or not?

Myrtle is soooo immoral. While she is Wilson's wife, she is also Tom's lover. She is a liar and a big cheater. She doesn't care about her husband at all. She is very materialistic. She only cares about wealth and that is the only reason she loves Tom. I mean why else would she like Tom, he is so old and ugly. I feel sad for Wilson because he doesn't deserve to have such a wife. I know that he is boring and a loner, but he is still her husband and she should accept that. I am happy she got killed, but I would've been more happier if Wilson had killed her. I mean she deserved that. Wilson cares about her so much that he cried endlessly after her death even though he knew that she was cheating on him. He even killed Gatsby when he found out that his car had killed her (which was not true because Daisy had killed Myrtle).

Moral Philosophy

Glad to see such deep thought on issues of right and wrong, class! Love the extra quote by Fitzgerald, too, Joanna, right? If you like debating moral issues think about majoring in Philosophy in college. There are few jobs requiring that degree but it lends itself to many jobs and you can always go to grad school! Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (a philosopher and novelist who was imprisoned in the Soviet Gulag as a dissident for many years) said: "One word of truth will conquer the whole world." How could this idea apply to THE GREAT GATSBY? If people had been more truthful could the tragedy have been prevented? Would it have made some characters more ethical if they had decided to own up and tell the truth to someone? What about Nick? Can we trust him as our narrator? Why? Does he tell the truth? Let's hear some thoughts on truth-telling!

MOST IMMORAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK peoplesssssssss, i hate capital letters just so you guys know.........so on with the topic........to start things off.........i think (and most people won't agree) that Daisy is the most immoral. she is the most immoral of allllllllllll of them...........and by the way Nick is immoral.......yes I'm sorry to break it to ya. (sorry about the writing I'm tired and sleepy but can't stop writing). soooooooooo........ Daisy is the most immoral right? yes, she is. she goes from one guys to another like nothing!!!!!!! no I'm just kidding........that's not why she's immoral. she is immoral because she has an affair.......unlike Tom this is not what society deems appropriate for a "lady". she kills a women and lets the man she "loves" take the heat for it. she doesn't even go to his funeral. she takes his love for granted. i don't believe she ever really loved him. i think she only liked the romance of the whole forbidden love thing (remember: she likes drama!). i feel sorry for her.... i mean i don't blame her for wanting to have an affair. after all, it must make her feel like complete cr*p that she can't keep her husband happy; to have your husband come back to your bed after being with that woman for a day; to have him hold Daisy while he still smells like the other woman. it must be hell to kiss him; to sleep in the same room as him. I'm not saying this is true. I'm just saying this is how she must feel.

even with these excuses she is still the most immoral character in the book. don't get me wrong she's leading with a very small lead. Gatsby goes next on the list..........so i guess they really are meant for each other.............. he knows what is right and wrong, but he does wrong anyway..........for the love of a woman who could never love him..........no matter how rich he is. it's sad really. he was so smart and he gave up oxford and education in general for her (idiot). i don't really need to tell you people why he is immoral right?? didn't think so.......... this here ladies and Anthony is the perfect example of a man ruined by love. again idiot!

yet Gatsby and Daisy are not the only immoral characters in the book. matter of fact, they are all immoral. after Gatsby comes Jordan. o0ooooo i bet you guys didn't see that coming! lol anywaysssssssssssssssssssssss, she is obviously immoral. she cheated at golf!!!!!!!!! her f-ing sport!!!!!!!!!!! she spreads rumors, she does not know the meaning of privacy or trust. oh and she's a slut!!!!!!! i mean Fitzgerald didn't have to write it! it was sooooooooo obvious!!!!!!!!!!! lol

anywayssssssssss, since no one cares about her...........let me move on..........Myrtle is next on my list............she is a married kept woman!!!!!!!!!!!!! she was another life without her HUSBAND!!!!!! knowing..... she basically sells herself for material things (by the way....... i am soooooooo tempted to put her sister in here!)

after her comes Tom for obvious reasons......... now i know most people would put him higher on the list but i just thought this how the list should be! I'm not saying he is moral, he is far from it, I'm just saying that he comes fifth in my list (at least for right now) my reason for this is that for a person to be immoral, they must first have morals. Tom knows right from wrong, he just does not care. really people, a person can not be immoral if they don't have morals. so yeah moving on...........

Nick is last........this does not mean he is immoral...........it just means that he is the least immoral in the story!!!!!!!!!! he sees everything that happens yet he keeps it all to himself. he plays third wheel to both affairs..........tells you something doesn't it? yeah it does............that he is not as moral as some people might think!!!!!!!!!!!! just because he does nothing does not mean he is moral. it just makes it easier to focus on the other characters..which is what make him such a great narrator.

anywayssssssssssssss...it's almost late and i have a french final tomorrow!!!!!!!!!! see you tomorrowssssssssssssss pplsssssssss ;D if you have a problem with my list come see me after school! lol

Oh gosh...

I agree with Nathalie's post...but as said before...minds like ours...lol...let me stop.
HOWEVER, I disagree with Jennifer. Your post about Daisy leaving Tom doesn't validify any of the customs of the 1920's and is contradicting to what actually happened back then. Today's way of living (divorces are common) is extremely different from like 80 years ago. Every decade has different morals. Also, the book doesn't talk about Daisy's daughter that much so we cannot assume Daisy is a horrible mother.

As for Marci's question. I think the person that is responsible for Gatsby's death is....Fitzgerald.

And yes, Arleny it works. Now I must go and rest in order to get up for first period and race Chung Hee to school. Wish me luck...

ok now that i know it works..............

I want to revise the statement I made in-class. I don't believe Daisy should live Tom, but I also do not believe that she should have an affair either. She wants to agree with the times? Fine. I know I would have, so I'll say what I would have done even though I know some people will not agree. Daisy should suck it up. She was the one who made a mistake. She was the one who married Tom when Gatsby asked her to wait and her reason for that in the movie (although it can't be that far from the truth) is that "rich girls don't marry poor guys". She was always superficial and though I feel sorry for her at times, it doesn't erase the fact that she choose to marry Tom. She was always a dramatic little girl who (although she had money) never had a say in many of her choices. Now she must live with that choice.
Who i do feel sorry for is Gatsby. He is the biggest "fool" in the book. He believes he can reinvent the past; he is sadly mistaken. No one can repeat the past because the circumstances will never be the same again. People change and the past can never be revisited.

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hi guys just wondering if this works ;D

JEN

OMG finally! I've been tryna post sumthing for hours (lol)...well anyways I agree with Sadea and think that Daisy should say bye bye Tom and HELLOOO Gatsby! Although it is true that in those times divorce was uncommon, why should she care shes rich he's rich they love each other end of story. In staying with tom she is only being a cheater, bad mother and keeping that poor obsesed guy's (Gatsby) hope up for nothing!...and yea shell have to abandon her daughter but lets be serious what was she doing for her daughters life anyways!

Immoral or Not Immoral?

Well in my opinion they are all immoral except for poor little Nick. Everyone seems to be doing the wrong thing thinking that soceity doesn't notice. Daisy is getting it on with Gatsby while Tom her beloved husband is screwing around with Myrtle. So how can me call one immoral and not the other? If they both play the same game. As for Jordan she's just untrustworthy. I don't know if anyone has noticed but she seems a bit two faced to me. She's good friends with Daisy but yet she tells all of Daisy's business to Gatsby. What kind of friend is that? Then we have poor little innocent Nick who's always caught in the middle of everything and never seems to do anything wrong. The real question here should be who isn't immoral, because it's easier to count the one's that aren't than the ones who are.

Gatsby's Demise

OK - now that you have definitely finished reading the book (right?) - did Gatsby have to die and who was to blame? Ruminate on this one and share your ideas! Everyone should submit one blog post by next Monday!

Well then...

I'm glad Anthony agrees with me. But we all know minds like "ours" think alike. Haha. I wonder if anyone will get that...=)
I agree, the symbol of eyes in this book are a huge motif. For instance, Dr. Eckleberg's eyes represent many things. They may show how American society is looked upon as a wasteland, or how it is percieved as meaningless. They may sound similar but are actually two different ideas.
As to who is the most immoral-well, they all are.
Gatsby-he continues to live in the past and believes that whatever happened with Daisy can happen again. In reality, the social postion he achieved was only for what he thought he needed to get to win Daisy back. Gatsby is deeply flawed and lives far from reality.
Daisy-Yeah, she was in love with Gatsby but married Tom. Maybe to meet her elders expectations, perhaps? Or maybe because lust drew her to Tom. This woman is obviously immoral because she uses superficialty to cover the pain she suffers from Tom's adulter habits. She cheats on Tom with Gatsby, and doesn't even come to Gatsby's funeral.
Myrtal- She's a nobody and is only attracted to wealth.
Tom-is was common for men to have mistresses back then and that's what he does. He does what deems him "manly." But then when he finds out Daisy is having an affair he moves her. Karma has already hit this book.
Hmm...I wonder if I spoiled anything in the book for anybody. Oh well! =)

Who is the most immoral?

Sorry, but I had to post again this is like some sick natural high.

But in regards to the poll, I'm a little surprised I was the first to vote as Daisy as the most immoral. Her poor decisions were the root of her unhappiness. She married Tom knowing that her heart was with Gatsby. A pretty little fool indeed.

Weeee

"He told me he reads the book every year. Why do you think someone would do that? "

Well, I agree with Joanna. There are a lot of elements to a novel that a reader can't just pick up on in one read through. We mentioned the motif of eyes in class, if Marci didn't mention that I may or may not have picked up on it on my own. Also, from these observations, questions arise such as why would Fitzgerald choose to use eyes as a reoccurring theme? Reading a story more than once really is an example of being an interested and active reader because it'll lead you to learning more about the story and the author.

ARE YOU PEOPLE CRAZY

y do i keep reading posts about DAISY leaving her husband. she could not do any of the sort because of the time period this was taking place. this was the roaring 20's people and divorces were not common especially with families that were wealthy. She shouldnt cheat on him either.....besides whats more important.... a woman with character or an TRANSGRESSOR ....... but seriously she should just stay with him to work it out for the child

Joannaaaaa

I guess I should answer both questions Marci posted, huh? Ok, well, the complex marriage issue. The obvious solution, to mostly everyone, would be for Daisy to leave Tom. However, let’s rethink that and step into the Roaring Twenties. Yes, modernization and progression of new ideas was a climax of those years. But traditions never die. Catholicism and gender role issues are what are keeping Daisy from leaving Tom. I would totally tell her to grab her kid, and dart to Canada. Yet, if you are a married woman back then with a child and a wealthy husband you deem yourself to materialism. In all truth, what could Daisy possibly do? The damage has been done, Daisy has called her own self a fool. If she does anything, it will only hurt her more, not Tom.
The movie of The Great Gatsby was ok. More blasé about it. I think Mia Farrow is condemned to the Daisy we are seeing her because the character of Daisy is almost shallow and can not be expanded. Maybe you friend from Columbia reads the book every year because it contains depth not seen in other books. Contains twists, and an asymmetrical pattern of scenes throughout. Or maybe because it enlightens him during his film courses. Or maybe just because it’s an American Classic that is almost as old as modern America itself.
I think I’m done. Goodnight. Everyone should go see "Into The Woods" at 2 PM on Saturday. Yes, Marci. I just totally advertised on your page. Go Joanna...

“It takes a genius to whine appealingly.”- F. Scott Fitzgerald

movie vs book

What did you think of the movie? Most of you seemed not to like Mia Farrow (yes, Anthony, Rosemary's Baby) in the role of Daisy. I have a friend who teaches in the film school at Columbia who agrees - but he thinks Robert Redford makes a perfect Gatsby. He told me he reads the book every year. Why do you think someone would do that?

Daisy should just leave Tom and marry gatsby.

Joseph

Two wrongs don't make a right!
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Keillein

Daisy should cheat on him and then leave him!

Sonia

Daisy should leave Tom because she's just not happy with him!

Natasha

Daisy should go ahead and cheat on Tom because it's karma - what you do comes back to you.

CHAPTERS 1-6 of THE GREAT GATSBY

In yesterday's seminar, we discussed whether or not Daisy should have an affair. Arleny and Angelia were the leaders of a lively debate on the subject. Topics which arose were money (having a voice full of it, how the rich are different from you and me, etc.) and men (how they treat women - who had just earned the right to vote, how they tend to have affairs with those "beneath" them, how they view each other). Post a paragraph giving your thoughts on these issues.